1 00:00:23,339 --> 00:00:09,110 welcome to the skeptic zone the podcast 2 00:00:30,089 --> 00:00:25,870 hello and welcome to the skeptic zone 3 00:00:32,979 --> 00:00:30,099 episode number 389 the third of april 4 00:00:36,040 --> 00:00:32,989 2016 Richard Saunders here with you from 5 00:00:37,840 --> 00:00:36,050 Sydney Australia and before we start my 6 00:00:41,189 --> 00:00:37,850 dear friends thank you so much for the 7 00:00:43,569 --> 00:00:41,199 well wishes and the kind words and the 8 00:00:45,430 --> 00:00:43,579 virtual hugs that I've been receiving 9 00:00:49,119 --> 00:00:45,440 all week following the death of my 10 00:00:51,399 --> 00:00:49,129 mother thank you so much every one of 11 00:00:54,280 --> 00:00:51,409 them I promise you every one of them I 12 00:00:57,460 --> 00:00:54,290 read and I appreciated every kind of 13 00:00:59,649 --> 00:00:57,470 thought and every kind comment thank you 14 00:01:04,780 --> 00:00:59,659 so much and a big thanks to the skeptics 15 00:01:08,289 --> 00:01:04,790 guide to the universe who sneakily sent 16 00:01:12,370 --> 00:01:08,299 a little care package here and that was 17 00:01:15,310 --> 00:01:12,380 very gratefully received the skeptics 18 00:01:18,850 --> 00:01:15,320 guide to the universe folks al sister 19 00:01:21,820 --> 00:01:18,860 podcast brother podcast sibling podcast 20 00:01:23,289 --> 00:01:21,830 a very popular podcast indeed I have the 21 00:01:25,029 --> 00:01:23,299 pleasure every now and then to be a 22 00:01:29,709 --> 00:01:25,039 guest rogue on the skeptics guide to the 23 00:01:32,529 --> 00:01:29,719 universe so their gesture was WOW very 24 00:01:35,410 --> 00:01:32,539 touching thank you SGU thank you so very 25 00:01:39,940 --> 00:01:35,420 much and thank you to the Australian 26 00:01:41,499 --> 00:01:39,950 skeptics who as some of the members of 27 00:01:44,050 --> 00:01:41,509 Australian skeptics came along to my 28 00:01:49,919 --> 00:01:44,060 mother's funeral which was very very 29 00:01:54,099 --> 00:01:49,929 nice to see and let me know that a 30 00:01:57,730 --> 00:01:54,109 contribution has been made to Professor 31 00:02:00,749 --> 00:01:57,740 Klingons cancer research at the 32 00:02:04,779 --> 00:02:00,759 University of Wollongong which was a 33 00:02:08,469 --> 00:02:04,789 request from my mother she said to meal 34 00:02:14,020 --> 00:02:08,479 sometime ago she wished to have people 35 00:02:17,199 --> 00:02:14,030 donate to this this cause because it's 36 00:02:19,210 --> 00:02:17,209 due to the fact that her professor who 37 00:02:22,059 --> 00:02:19,220 was looking after and in the final years 38 00:02:23,559 --> 00:02:22,069 and other people like him it's due to 39 00:02:26,230 --> 00:02:23,569 the fact that they are they're doing 40 00:02:29,229 --> 00:02:26,240 what they do with the research and 41 00:02:32,949 --> 00:02:29,239 scientific medicine that my mother was 42 00:02:34,660 --> 00:02:32,959 able to be with us for so long so thank 43 00:02:37,360 --> 00:02:34,670 you to the Australian skeptics for 44 00:02:39,490 --> 00:02:37,370 a donation to that particular research 45 00:02:43,030 --> 00:02:39,500 we've been bagging the University of 46 00:02:47,350 --> 00:02:43,040 Wollongong lately I know for the PhD to 47 00:02:49,479 --> 00:02:47,360 the anti-vaxxers but of course like any 48 00:02:54,220 --> 00:02:49,489 university they do fantastic work as 49 00:02:56,890 --> 00:02:54,230 well so a very big week I promise you it 50 00:02:59,470 --> 00:02:56,900 was a very big week however let's say 51 00:03:01,390 --> 00:02:59,480 let's look forward to this week's show 52 00:03:03,550 --> 00:03:01,400 we're going to kick off we're going to 53 00:03:06,220 --> 00:03:03,560 start with an interview with Alex cares 54 00:03:09,309 --> 00:03:06,230 who is the director of Perak on 55 00:03:11,500 --> 00:03:09,319 Australia coming up in May a paranormal 56 00:03:14,130 --> 00:03:11,510 meeting a paranormal convention in the 57 00:03:17,710 --> 00:03:14,140 Blue Mountains near Sydney I am very 58 00:03:21,160 --> 00:03:17,720 thrilled to be a guest speaker goodness 59 00:03:24,190 --> 00:03:21,170 me let me reach for my mother's Bible 60 00:03:26,350 --> 00:03:24,200 what's this Daniel in the lion's den hmm 61 00:03:28,420 --> 00:03:26,360 I'm a guest speaker at Paragon more 62 00:03:31,120 --> 00:03:28,430 about that coming up my interview with 63 00:03:33,220 --> 00:03:31,130 Alex chaos following that it's a couple 64 00:03:35,080 --> 00:03:33,230 of skeptical announcements what's going 65 00:03:37,300 --> 00:03:35,090 on in the skeptical world especially 66 00:03:40,270 --> 00:03:37,310 here in Australia then I'll be reading a 67 00:03:42,009 --> 00:03:40,280 piece by Kim mendham you seem to get a 68 00:03:43,660 --> 00:03:42,019 lot of pieces by Tim minden he's a good 69 00:03:46,800 --> 00:03:43,670 writer actually he's the editor of the 70 00:03:50,949 --> 00:03:46,810 skeptic magazine here in Australia about 71 00:03:52,870 --> 00:03:50,959 wind farms wind farms and some of the 72 00:03:55,150 --> 00:03:52,880 nonsense that's going on there with 73 00:03:59,380 --> 00:03:55,160 large amounts of money being splashed 74 00:04:02,050 --> 00:03:59,390 about find out more soon and then it's 75 00:04:04,420 --> 00:04:02,060 Maynard spooky action chatting to an old 76 00:04:06,190 --> 00:04:04,430 friend of mine Ian wolf in wolf's 77 00:04:08,830 --> 00:04:06,200 appeared on our show before from time to 78 00:04:12,509 --> 00:04:08,840 time he's the man behind the diffusion 79 00:04:14,740 --> 00:04:12,519 science radio show here in Australia and 80 00:04:17,289 --> 00:04:14,750 that's a very long running show to 81 00:04:19,630 --> 00:04:17,299 podcast it's a radio show find out more 82 00:04:22,510 --> 00:04:19,640 later on the show and may not interviews 83 00:04:25,450 --> 00:04:22,520 Ian wolf and then to round off the show 84 00:04:28,560 --> 00:04:25,460 a little news clip and little news item 85 00:04:32,860 --> 00:04:28,570 about a high court challenge apparently 86 00:04:37,390 --> 00:04:32,870 who knows to the Australian Government's 87 00:04:40,330 --> 00:04:37,400 no a jab no pay laws will the 88 00:04:43,600 --> 00:04:40,340 anti-vaxxers succeed in overturning the 89 00:04:44,800 --> 00:04:43,610 law we shall find out oh by the way just 90 00:04:47,560 --> 00:04:44,810 referring back to what I said before 91 00:04:48,550 --> 00:04:47,570 about the professor's research professor 92 00:04:51,670 --> 00:04:48,560 Klingon 93 00:04:53,920 --> 00:04:51,680 I'll add a link in the show notes for 94 00:04:59,530 --> 00:04:53,930 this week or you can simply google 95 00:05:02,140 --> 00:04:59,540 professor Klingon that's CL I n gan 96 00:05:04,060 --> 00:05:02,150 Klingon Research Foundation my mother 97 00:05:05,860 --> 00:05:04,070 certainly thought very highly of the 98 00:05:08,830 --> 00:05:05,870 professor who was looking after her he 99 00:05:11,700 --> 00:05:08,840 was a lovely man and thanks to him of 100 00:05:16,210 --> 00:05:11,710 course and the wonderful work they do 101 00:05:20,710 --> 00:05:16,220 generally in in cancer research that 102 00:05:22,840 --> 00:05:20,720 does keep thousands of people alive it 103 00:05:25,780 --> 00:05:22,850 really does oh and by the way my mother 104 00:05:29,350 --> 00:05:25,790 did not have any time for quackery quack 105 00:05:33,420 --> 00:05:29,360 cures and promises she was a very bright 106 00:05:36,700 --> 00:05:33,430 woman and she knew exactly her best 107 00:05:39,219 --> 00:05:36,710 course of action and as I mentioned on 108 00:05:41,760 --> 00:05:39,229 last week's show that course of action 109 00:05:44,260 --> 00:05:41,770 gave us about another 30 years with mum 110 00:05:45,969 --> 00:05:44,270 stay tuned right at the end of the show 111 00:05:47,860 --> 00:05:45,979 for an important announcement from the 112 00:05:50,320 --> 00:05:47,870 skeptic zone something very interesting 113 00:05:53,260 --> 00:05:50,330 indeed but right now it's time for me to 114 00:05:59,140 --> 00:05:53,270 run downstairs open up the fridge look 115 00:06:01,930 --> 00:05:59,150 for some marshmallows I thought I saw I 116 00:06:06,490 --> 00:06:01,940 wonder if they're in the cupboard hot 117 00:06:09,730 --> 00:06:06,500 chocolate and marshmallows that sounds 118 00:06:34,119 --> 00:06:09,740 pretty good why not well I'm enjoying 119 00:06:38,359 --> 00:06:36,649 now there's a long history of 120 00:06:39,739 --> 00:06:38,369 interesting conventions in Australia 121 00:06:41,929 --> 00:06:39,749 everything from well dare i say 122 00:06:43,809 --> 00:06:41,939 australian skeptics conventions to all 123 00:06:46,459 --> 00:06:43,819 sorts of things historical and all 124 00:06:47,749 --> 00:06:46,469 manner of organizations love to have 125 00:06:51,169 --> 00:06:47,759 conventions and i think this is a 126 00:06:54,489 --> 00:06:51,179 worldwide thing coming up but just next 127 00:06:58,669 --> 00:06:54,499 month in May May 26 to the 29th we have 128 00:07:00,949 --> 00:06:58,679 Paracon Australia 2016 and this is going 129 00:07:02,299 --> 00:07:00,959 to be held in the wonderful Blue 130 00:07:04,219 --> 00:07:02,309 Mountains I thought I'd find out a bit 131 00:07:07,129 --> 00:07:04,229 more about this it's a paranormal 132 00:07:08,719 --> 00:07:07,139 convention and it's a particular 133 00:07:11,059 --> 00:07:08,729 interest to me but we'll get to that 134 00:07:13,219 --> 00:07:11,069 soon join me on the line from the fifth 135 00:07:15,859 --> 00:07:13,229 dimension I think somewhere floating in 136 00:07:19,100 --> 00:07:15,869 the either is the director of Paragon 137 00:07:21,379 --> 00:07:19,110 Australia Alex KS hello Alex hello 138 00:07:23,119 --> 00:07:21,389 Richard how you doing I'm not doing too 139 00:07:26,899 --> 00:07:23,129 badly i'm not doing do by little i am 140 00:07:28,909 --> 00:07:26,909 certainly looking forward to para con 141 00:07:31,609 --> 00:07:28,919 australia because when to spill the 142 00:07:33,679 --> 00:07:31,619 beans I'm actually an invited speaker 143 00:07:35,659 --> 00:07:33,689 this year which is fantastic but before 144 00:07:37,489 --> 00:07:35,669 we get to all that what can you tell me 145 00:07:41,029 --> 00:07:37,499 about the event then something of its 146 00:07:42,980 --> 00:07:41,039 history ok yeah so perricone Australia 147 00:07:44,389 --> 00:07:42,990 as you said is a paranormal conference 148 00:07:47,209 --> 00:07:44,399 this is at the third year I've been 149 00:07:50,149 --> 00:07:47,219 running it we've done it in the Blue 150 00:07:52,730 --> 00:07:50,159 Mountains for two years now and it is 151 00:07:55,609 --> 00:07:52,740 just two days of everything paranormal 152 00:07:57,799 --> 00:07:55,619 from ghost hunting to UFO and et 153 00:08:00,439 --> 00:07:57,809 research you know we're throw-in a few 154 00:08:02,329 --> 00:08:00,449 Yowies for good measure it's just you 155 00:08:04,429 --> 00:08:02,339 know if you're into the paranormal 156 00:08:06,079 --> 00:08:04,439 paranormal research this is definitely 157 00:08:07,339 --> 00:08:06,089 starting to check out well that's 158 00:08:08,749 --> 00:08:07,349 interesting you should say we are you 159 00:08:10,939 --> 00:08:08,759 throwing in a few galleys because the 160 00:08:13,159 --> 00:08:10,949 Blue Mountains and this event is being 161 00:08:16,129 --> 00:08:13,169 held up there d Carrington hotel which 162 00:08:18,259 --> 00:08:16,139 is a Grand Hotel indeed in Katoomba 163 00:08:20,569 --> 00:08:18,269 beautiful beautiful but the Blue 164 00:08:23,089 --> 00:08:20,579 Mountains is one of the dare I say the 165 00:08:24,769 --> 00:08:23,099 Yowie hotspots and for our international 166 00:08:27,049 --> 00:08:24,779 listeners a yaoi is sort of the 167 00:08:30,109 --> 00:08:27,059 Australian cousin to the Bigfoot isn't 168 00:08:32,719 --> 00:08:30,119 it yes definitely well distantly related 169 00:08:34,070 --> 00:08:32,729 like we like to consider New Zealand as 170 00:08:36,020 --> 00:08:34,080 a cousin 171 00:08:40,670 --> 00:08:36,030 is a strange analogy if I've ever heard 172 00:08:44,270 --> 00:08:40,680 one yeah well the blue mountains if you 173 00:08:45,980 --> 00:08:44,280 like is full of all sorts of legends and 174 00:08:48,350 --> 00:08:45,990 phenomena around all things paranormal 175 00:08:49,700 --> 00:08:48,360 so I think it's a great spot to do it it 176 00:08:51,830 --> 00:08:49,710 is in the Blue Mountains for those 177 00:08:53,510 --> 00:08:51,840 people who may not know is not far out 178 00:08:55,010 --> 00:08:53,520 of Sydney couple of hours on the train 179 00:08:57,050 --> 00:08:55,020 and you're in the wonderful Blue 180 00:09:00,410 --> 00:08:57,060 Mountains very popular place for 181 00:09:01,940 --> 00:09:00,420 tourists and is very beautiful lots of 182 00:09:03,590 --> 00:09:01,950 scenery and mountains and things like 183 00:09:05,780 --> 00:09:03,600 that of course now what can you tell me 184 00:09:07,640 --> 00:09:05,790 about the past events because i think if 185 00:09:10,040 --> 00:09:07,650 i remember correctly i might have been 186 00:09:12,980 --> 00:09:10,050 to one as a visitor a couple years back 187 00:09:15,950 --> 00:09:12,990 but i think that was in maitland yes so 188 00:09:17,870 --> 00:09:15,960 that was the first Paracon at maitland 189 00:09:20,810 --> 00:09:17,880 jail of course we locked everyone up for 190 00:09:23,510 --> 00:09:20,820 a weekend and so that's where we started 191 00:09:24,860 --> 00:09:23,520 so we've been going since 2014 oh yes I 192 00:09:26,450 --> 00:09:24,870 remember it well I had a very 193 00:09:28,670 --> 00:09:26,460 interesting day there I went along with 194 00:09:30,410 --> 00:09:28,680 our reporter Maynard who was 195 00:09:32,570 --> 00:09:30,420 interviewing all sorts of people on the 196 00:09:34,220 --> 00:09:32,580 day and we may not and I ended up in a 197 00:09:36,290 --> 00:09:34,230 jail cell at one stage I don't know it 198 00:09:39,950 --> 00:09:36,300 was going on tell me about some of the 199 00:09:42,440 --> 00:09:39,960 guests you've had in the past alright so 200 00:09:45,500 --> 00:09:42,450 yeah we've had in the past people from 201 00:09:47,720 --> 00:09:45,510 overseas including Ben Hansen who was 202 00:09:50,680 --> 00:09:47,730 just recently out for another tour he's 203 00:09:53,510 --> 00:09:50,690 a former FBI agent turned ghost hunter 204 00:09:56,260 --> 00:09:53,520 people who specialize in things like 205 00:09:58,700 --> 00:09:56,270 Ouija boards with Robert Murch we've had 206 00:10:00,500 --> 00:09:58,710 people who you know such as Katrina 207 00:10:03,590 --> 00:10:00,510 Cavanaugh come and speak she spoke the 208 00:10:06,470 --> 00:10:03,600 first year Rex Gilroy who's quite 209 00:10:09,140 --> 00:10:06,480 popular in there cryptozoology feel 210 00:10:11,330 --> 00:10:09,150 they're all from the first year yes and 211 00:10:12,830 --> 00:10:11,340 I remember seeing him there and may not 212 00:10:14,570 --> 00:10:12,840 had a very interesting interview with 213 00:10:17,840 --> 00:10:14,580 Rex he's the guy who looks for the 214 00:10:19,850 --> 00:10:17,850 Yowies and the monsters and yes yeah and 215 00:10:21,950 --> 00:10:19,860 then if we jump to year two we had 216 00:10:25,070 --> 00:10:21,960 people like Travis Walton come out which 217 00:10:28,640 --> 00:10:25,080 is the famous UFO incident from the 218 00:10:31,010 --> 00:10:28,650 United States we had lots of authors 219 00:10:33,670 --> 00:10:31,020 people like got Podmore who wrote the 220 00:10:35,900 --> 00:10:33,680 book conversations with mediums 221 00:10:37,520 --> 00:10:35,910 paranormal investigators talking about 222 00:10:39,710 --> 00:10:37,530 how to talk to ghosts all sorts of 223 00:10:42,410 --> 00:10:39,720 things it's your one-stop shop for 224 00:10:44,300 --> 00:10:42,420 everything paranormal it would seem now 225 00:10:48,060 --> 00:10:44,310 let's get this year's event as we keep 226 00:10:50,610 --> 00:10:48,070 saying is a 26 inch length of my mapping 227 00:10:53,760 --> 00:10:50,620 wonderful blue mountains apart from a 228 00:10:57,450 --> 00:10:53,770 certain skeptic what are the guests can 229 00:11:00,750 --> 00:10:57,460 people expect to see wow ok so apart 230 00:11:03,620 --> 00:11:00,760 from yes mr. Richard Saunders we've got 231 00:11:06,960 --> 00:11:03,630 i think around 20 different presenters 232 00:11:08,880 --> 00:11:06,970 ranging again all sorts of legs of the 233 00:11:10,980 --> 00:11:08,890 paranormal we've got some really cool 234 00:11:13,920 --> 00:11:10,990 stuff this year with around their big 235 00:11:16,950 --> 00:11:13,930 cats urban legend so Rebecca Lang and 236 00:11:18,810 --> 00:11:16,960 Mike Williams talking about that in the 237 00:11:21,870 --> 00:11:18,820 UFO side we've got people like Mary 238 00:11:25,010 --> 00:11:21,880 Rodwell and Bill shocker talking about 239 00:11:27,120 --> 00:11:25,020 like the West all incidents of the 60s 240 00:11:28,980 --> 00:11:27,130 internationally speaking I've got some 241 00:11:31,740 --> 00:11:28,990 really fun characters who had just got 242 00:11:34,590 --> 00:11:31,750 to be a great to talk to you but also a 243 00:11:37,500 --> 00:11:34,600 hoot I reckon we've got Calvin bond 244 00:11:39,870 --> 00:11:37,510 crush who's a cult object and bizarre 245 00:11:42,510 --> 00:11:39,880 artifact collector and we've got a 246 00:11:46,290 --> 00:11:42,520 comedian and psychic Karen Wong kowski 247 00:11:48,450 --> 00:11:46,300 who has just been hilarious already so 248 00:11:51,150 --> 00:11:48,460 she I think she's got to be a hit a 249 00:11:53,010 --> 00:11:51,160 comedian and a psychic she must know all 250 00:11:55,050 --> 00:11:53,020 the punchlines to her own gags before 251 00:11:58,380 --> 00:11:55,060 she says them oh dear well she says them 252 00:12:00,630 --> 00:11:58,390 up first and then goes backwards that 253 00:12:03,990 --> 00:12:00,640 does sound interesting now and I'm very 254 00:12:05,400 --> 00:12:04,000 pleased that that you decided to invite 255 00:12:07,620 --> 00:12:05,410 me along i'm sure i'll have an 256 00:12:10,230 --> 00:12:07,630 interesting time if i can put it that 257 00:12:12,090 --> 00:12:10,240 way and i hope that i'll give in my talk 258 00:12:14,490 --> 00:12:12,100 i hope i'll give your audience some 259 00:12:18,480 --> 00:12:14,500 insights what I'm going to be discussing 260 00:12:20,640 --> 00:12:18,490 is a guide or an overview to the various 261 00:12:22,530 --> 00:12:20,650 money challenges that skeptics put her 262 00:12:23,880 --> 00:12:22,540 up around the world including here in 263 00:12:26,550 --> 00:12:23,890 Australia which is a hundred thousand 264 00:12:28,910 --> 00:12:26,560 dollars for anybody who can successfully 265 00:12:32,310 --> 00:12:28,920 perform a paranormal or supernatural 266 00:12:35,190 --> 00:12:32,320 event and I wonder if I'll get people 267 00:12:37,890 --> 00:12:35,200 lining up to apply after my talk we 268 00:12:39,540 --> 00:12:37,900 shall see i'm looking forward to it so 269 00:12:42,810 --> 00:12:39,550 if you bring your application forms 270 00:12:46,800 --> 00:12:42,820 along and we'll put them out what you 271 00:12:49,320 --> 00:12:46,810 will now I as my listeners know I do 272 00:12:50,670 --> 00:12:49,330 attend many of these events and I do do 273 00:12:52,560 --> 00:12:50,680 so around the world I go to the 274 00:12:55,230 --> 00:12:52,570 mind-body-spirit festival every year he 275 00:12:57,360 --> 00:12:55,240 rested knee and what I always say to my 276 00:12:59,430 --> 00:12:57,370 listeners because most of my listeners 277 00:13:01,860 --> 00:12:59,440 of the skeptical persuasion I would 278 00:13:06,360 --> 00:13:01,870 hazard a guess is that this thing 279 00:13:09,000 --> 00:13:06,370 for skeptics are so worthwhile going to 280 00:13:10,940 --> 00:13:09,010 to see because you actually learn what 281 00:13:13,410 --> 00:13:10,950 believers and people into the paranormal 282 00:13:16,500 --> 00:13:13,420 what they really believe or what they 283 00:13:20,970 --> 00:13:16,510 really say not the cartoon caricature 284 00:13:22,829 --> 00:13:20,980 yet we might think it's really 285 00:13:24,480 --> 00:13:22,839 interesting to see where their reasoning 286 00:13:27,450 --> 00:13:24,490 comes from what we're research they've 287 00:13:30,150 --> 00:13:27,460 done how they justify their claims and 288 00:13:32,040 --> 00:13:30,160 things like that so for skeptics in 289 00:13:33,870 --> 00:13:32,050 Australia it's probably really 290 00:13:35,760 --> 00:13:33,880 worthwhile coming along check out the 291 00:13:39,060 --> 00:13:35,770 program see what talks are coming up and 292 00:13:40,860 --> 00:13:39,070 you might get some very interesting 293 00:13:44,550 --> 00:13:40,870 insights into the minds of the people 294 00:13:47,880 --> 00:13:44,560 who are into the paranormal now what is 295 00:13:49,860 --> 00:13:47,890 the best URL for people out there to 296 00:13:52,650 --> 00:13:49,870 find out more information and maybe 297 00:13:56,250 --> 00:13:52,660 score themselves a ticket yeah if you 298 00:13:58,800 --> 00:13:56,260 just head to ww parkin australia com or 299 00:14:02,460 --> 00:13:58,810 the informations there just click on the 300 00:14:05,610 --> 00:14:02,470 para con 2016 tab and it's everything 301 00:14:09,810 --> 00:14:05,620 you need it's quite easy wwp Archon 302 00:14:11,190 --> 00:14:09,820 Australia PA raco in Australia dot y all 303 00:14:12,870 --> 00:14:11,200 the informations there you can check out 304 00:14:15,750 --> 00:14:12,880 the speakers for this year because I 305 00:14:17,519 --> 00:14:15,760 notice there's a long page of speakers 306 00:14:20,190 --> 00:14:17,529 with their photographs and BIOS there 307 00:14:22,620 --> 00:14:20,200 which is pretty cool yeah and again if 308 00:14:25,829 --> 00:14:22,630 people want to come along enjoy the 309 00:14:28,440 --> 00:14:25,839 sessions of believers to skeptics will 310 00:14:30,150 --> 00:14:28,450 find everything interesting i'm sure and 311 00:14:32,850 --> 00:14:30,160 i look forward to meeting everybody 312 00:14:34,019 --> 00:14:32,860 there myself exhale we look forward to 313 00:14:36,449 --> 00:14:34,029 having you richer that's going to be a 314 00:14:39,410 --> 00:14:36,459 great weekend I think so well Alex case 315 00:14:42,079 --> 00:14:39,420 the director of Perak on Australia 316 00:15:06,030 --> 00:14:42,089 coming up next month thank you very much 317 00:15:13,120 --> 00:15:09,310 now here are a few notes a few things of 318 00:15:17,500 --> 00:15:13,130 interest to skeptics in Australia how 319 00:15:20,950 --> 00:15:17,510 the sky works an introduction to naked 320 00:15:25,150 --> 00:15:20,960 eye astronomy now this is Tuesday the 12 321 00:15:30,130 --> 00:15:25,160 April at six pm at King o'malley's irish 322 00:15:33,070 --> 00:15:30,140 pub in canberra cheap astronomy is about 323 00:15:35,110 --> 00:15:33,080 exploring the universe maybe just with 324 00:15:37,480 --> 00:15:35,120 your eyes or maybe with binoculars or 325 00:15:40,030 --> 00:15:37,490 even Adam out of the box department 326 00:15:42,550 --> 00:15:40,040 store telescope cheap astronomy is aimed 327 00:15:44,829 --> 00:15:42,560 at people who want to do real astronomy 328 00:15:48,310 --> 00:15:44,839 for under three hundred dollars and that 329 00:15:50,950 --> 00:15:48,320 includes zero dollars Steven Ehrlich is 330 00:15:52,840 --> 00:15:50,960 a camera-based podcaster who has 331 00:15:56,680 --> 00:15:52,850 presented the weekly cheap astronomy 332 00:15:58,960 --> 00:15:56,690 podcast since 2009 almost as long as the 333 00:16:01,420 --> 00:15:58,970 skeptics own he is a very amateur 334 00:16:04,150 --> 00:16:01,430 astronomer and size communicator whose 335 00:16:08,740 --> 00:16:04,160 main objective in life is to give others 336 00:16:10,600 --> 00:16:08,750 a reason to look up for more information 337 00:16:15,430 --> 00:16:10,610 head to meetup com delay you and search 338 00:16:17,260 --> 00:16:15,440 for social skeptics Canberra don't 339 00:16:21,040 --> 00:16:17,270 forget the Wollongong skeptics in the 340 00:16:23,260 --> 00:16:21,050 pub meaning in dicey rileys 333 crown 341 00:16:25,720 --> 00:16:23,270 street in Wollongong and you can find 342 00:16:28,720 --> 00:16:25,730 more information meetup looking for 343 00:16:30,610 --> 00:16:28,730 Wollongong skeptics in the pub and as 344 00:16:33,280 --> 00:16:30,620 mentioned last week Sydney dinner the 345 00:16:36,430 --> 00:16:33,290 Sydney skeptics dinner strange skeptics 346 00:16:39,190 --> 00:16:36,440 dinner on the 9th of April the evolution 347 00:16:42,329 --> 00:16:39,200 of the anti-evolution movement at the 348 00:16:44,860 --> 00:16:42,339 ride Eastwood leagues club in west ryde 349 00:16:49,600 --> 00:16:44,870 starting at six thirty for more 350 00:16:51,490 --> 00:16:49,610 information visit www the website of 351 00:16:55,199 --> 00:16:51,500 Australian skeptics click the link and 352 00:17:05,460 --> 00:16:55,209 that will see you at the dinner 353 00:17:05,470 --> 00:17:16,350 you 354 00:17:23,140 --> 00:17:19,829 from the website of Australian skeptics 355 00:17:26,230 --> 00:17:23,150 www.skype.com do you from the 23rd of 356 00:17:27,699 --> 00:17:26,240 March written by Tim mendham the 357 00:17:31,810 --> 00:17:27,709 national health and medical research 358 00:17:34,750 --> 00:17:31,820 council 3.3 million dollars on wind farm 359 00:17:35,919 --> 00:17:34,760 research money down the drain the 360 00:17:39,640 --> 00:17:35,929 national health and medical research 361 00:17:42,700 --> 00:17:39,650 council and hmrc has announced two 362 00:17:44,320 --> 00:17:42,710 grants totaling 3.3 million dollars to 363 00:17:46,600 --> 00:17:44,330 researchers at the University of New 364 00:17:48,840 --> 00:17:46,610 South Wales and Flinders University to 365 00:17:50,860 --> 00:17:48,850 quote enrich the evidence-based 366 00:17:54,039 --> 00:17:50,870 understanding of the effects of wind 367 00:17:56,110 --> 00:17:54,049 farms on human health man code this is 368 00:17:59,500 --> 00:17:56,120 despite its own year-long study that 369 00:18:02,230 --> 00:17:59,510 reported in early 2015 that there was no 370 00:18:05,799 --> 00:18:02,240 quote consistent evidence and quote that 371 00:18:08,260 --> 00:18:05,809 a problem exists the NH MRC made a 372 00:18:10,990 --> 00:18:08,270 targeted call for research last year and 373 00:18:12,820 --> 00:18:11,000 now named the recipients as professing 374 00:18:15,480 --> 00:18:12,830 guy marks from the University of New 375 00:18:17,860 --> 00:18:15,490 South Wales 1.49 million dollars and 376 00:18:20,380 --> 00:18:17,870 associate professor peter catch side 377 00:18:23,530 --> 00:18:20,390 from flinders university one point three 378 00:18:26,799 --> 00:18:23,540 six million dollars a statement by the 379 00:18:29,799 --> 00:18:26,809 NHMRC says that the University of New 380 00:18:31,240 --> 00:18:29,809 South Wales will quote investigate the 381 00:18:33,549 --> 00:18:31,250 broader social and environmental 382 00:18:35,530 --> 00:18:33,559 circumstances that may influence the 383 00:18:38,880 --> 00:18:35,540 health of people living near wind farms 384 00:18:41,440 --> 00:18:38,890 in quote studying the health impacts of 385 00:18:44,080 --> 00:18:41,450 infrasound sound waves typically 386 00:18:46,510 --> 00:18:44,090 inaudible to humans generated by wind 387 00:18:49,270 --> 00:18:46,520 turbines Flinders University will quote 388 00:18:51,610 --> 00:18:49,280 explore relationships between noise from 389 00:18:54,460 --> 00:18:51,620 wind farms and effects such as 390 00:18:56,860 --> 00:18:54,470 annoyances and reduced sleep and quality 391 00:18:58,900 --> 00:18:56,870 of life and word Simon Chapman and 392 00:19:01,539 --> 00:18:58,910 emeritus professor of Public Health at 393 00:19:04,360 --> 00:19:01,549 the University of Sydney and 2013 394 00:19:06,400 --> 00:19:04,370 skeptic of the year told The Sydney 395 00:19:08,850 --> 00:19:06,410 Morning Herald newspaper that quote 396 00:19:11,500 --> 00:19:08,860 there had been at least 25 reviews 397 00:19:13,900 --> 00:19:11,510 internationally including by the NHMRC 398 00:19:15,820 --> 00:19:13,910 that showed very little evidence of 399 00:19:18,130 --> 00:19:15,830 direct effects from wind farms then 400 00:19:20,680 --> 00:19:18,140 quote effects that did exist could be 401 00:19:22,630 --> 00:19:20,690 put down to psychosocial factors he said 402 00:19:25,030 --> 00:19:22,640 such as pre-existing and 403 00:19:27,250 --> 00:19:25,040 Timothy to win farmers resentment by 404 00:19:30,910 --> 00:19:27,260 locals who had received no benefit from 405 00:19:33,370 --> 00:19:30,920 turbines in their region and anxiety of 406 00:19:35,770 --> 00:19:33,380 perceived health impacts quote it's 407 00:19:38,530 --> 00:19:35,780 really quite disgraceful it's money 408 00:19:40,840 --> 00:19:38,540 literally poured down the drain there is 409 00:19:43,750 --> 00:19:40,850 no health or medical agency in the world 410 00:19:46,270 --> 00:19:43,760 that would give any rational priority to 411 00:19:48,070 --> 00:19:46,280 wind farms and health potentially 412 00:19:50,830 --> 00:19:48,080 hundreds of researchers who had just 413 00:19:52,930 --> 00:19:50,840 missed out on funding research would be 414 00:19:56,970 --> 00:19:52,940 angry as the money is being spent on 415 00:19:59,950 --> 00:19:56,980 wind farm research unquote NHMRC CEO 416 00:20:02,290 --> 00:19:59,960 professor and kelso so that further 417 00:20:04,060 --> 00:20:02,300 research was needed to explore the 418 00:20:07,390 --> 00:20:04,070 relationships between wind farms and 419 00:20:09,790 --> 00:20:07,400 human health quote existing research in 420 00:20:12,940 --> 00:20:09,800 this area is of poor quality and 421 00:20:15,070 --> 00:20:12,950 targeted funding is warranted to support 422 00:20:17,230 --> 00:20:15,080 high quality independent research on the 423 00:20:19,330 --> 00:20:17,240 issue to address this we need 424 00:20:21,190 --> 00:20:19,340 well-designed studies conducted by 425 00:20:23,890 --> 00:20:21,200 excellent researchers in Australian 426 00:20:25,210 --> 00:20:23,900 conditions these grants directly support 427 00:20:27,760 --> 00:20:25,220 the australian government's commitment 428 00:20:30,370 --> 00:20:27,770 to determine any actual or potential 429 00:20:33,280 --> 00:20:30,380 effects of wind farms and quote she said 430 00:20:36,220 --> 00:20:33,290 quote NHMRC supports only the most 431 00:20:38,080 --> 00:20:36,230 outstanding research each application 432 00:20:41,110 --> 00:20:38,090 for this funding underwent the same 433 00:20:44,170 --> 00:20:41,120 stringent independent review process we 434 00:20:46,750 --> 00:20:44,180 apply to all NHMRC grant applications 435 00:20:48,850 --> 00:20:46,760 end quote the Abbott government and 436 00:20:51,400 --> 00:20:48,860 particularly former Prime Minister Tony 437 00:20:53,830 --> 00:20:51,410 Abbott and treasurer Joe Hockey were 438 00:20:56,230 --> 00:20:53,840 against wind farm on both supposed 439 00:21:01,030 --> 00:20:56,240 technical issues and aesthetic grounds 440 00:21:03,850 --> 00:21:01,040 the 2014-2015 study by NHMRC was ordered 441 00:21:05,980 --> 00:21:03,860 by the Abbott government in January 2013 442 00:21:08,080 --> 00:21:05,990 even before the results of a separate 443 00:21:10,510 --> 00:21:08,090 review of the issue by the council had 444 00:21:12,160 --> 00:21:10,520 been made public the decision for 445 00:21:15,520 --> 00:21:12,170 another review Stokes fears that the 446 00:21:18,250 --> 00:21:15,530 government was being swayed by anti wind 447 00:21:21,310 --> 00:21:18,260 farm campaigners including Morris Newman 448 00:21:24,190 --> 00:21:21,320 a senior business advisor to Abbott I'm 449 00:21:27,190 --> 00:21:24,200 sure we'll be hearing more about wind 450 00:21:29,210 --> 00:21:27,200 farms and their supposed health impacts 451 00:21:32,240 --> 00:21:29,220 further down the track 452 00:21:55,279 --> 00:21:32,250 however that was a story by Tim mendham 453 00:22:02,390 --> 00:21:55,289 has published at ww skeptics calm razvi 454 00:22:04,669 --> 00:22:02,400 3 30 minute video fear of Islamic law be 455 00:22:06,350 --> 00:22:04,679 so skeptical museum was not just a 456 00:22:07,940 --> 00:22:06,360 shikara prohodit car that we need a live 457 00:22:09,529 --> 00:22:07,950 mas clear it algebra class champ 458 00:22:11,210 --> 00:22:09,539 associate nash podcast Petrova hooded 459 00:22:13,310 --> 00:22:11,220 garden again what Custance White's 460 00:22:16,159 --> 00:22:13,320 escaped a site editor bombers use not 461 00:22:20,510 --> 00:22:16,169 initiated st at the web / skeptics 462 00:22:22,190 --> 00:22:20,520 society Rajguru everybody my name is 463 00:22:24,409 --> 00:22:22,200 carol and i'm the founder of skeptics 464 00:22:26,450 --> 00:22:24,419 society russia come visit us in moscow 465 00:22:27,919 --> 00:22:26,460 and our bi-weekly meetings and also 466 00:22:29,659 --> 00:22:27,929 listen to our weekly podcast which is 467 00:22:31,730 --> 00:22:29,669 called skeptic and the site where you 468 00:22:44,260 --> 00:22:31,740 can find all of that is skeptics society 469 00:22:52,570 --> 00:22:48,950 here's my not spooky action at a 470 00:22:57,950 --> 00:22:55,730 I'm here on an occasional bench in glee 471 00:22:59,930 --> 00:22:57,960 but that's right part of Sydney this is 472 00:23:00,860 --> 00:22:59,940 where the elite like to hang out and 473 00:23:02,450 --> 00:23:00,870 think that they're better than everyone 474 00:23:04,490 --> 00:23:02,460 else and I'm sitting on the bench going 475 00:23:06,110 --> 00:23:04,500 to them as they go past but here's 476 00:23:08,120 --> 00:23:06,120 someone I would never go to do because 477 00:23:09,710 --> 00:23:08,130 he has one of the most interesting 478 00:23:11,870 --> 00:23:09,720 science shows in Australia because it's 479 00:23:13,490 --> 00:23:11,880 been going for ages it covers lots of 480 00:23:15,200 --> 00:23:13,500 topics sometimes it's political 481 00:23:16,760 --> 00:23:15,210 sometimes it's not but i'll let him 482 00:23:19,430 --> 00:23:16,770 introduce himself and welcome to my 483 00:23:21,769 --> 00:23:19,440 occasional bench hello may not how are 484 00:23:23,360 --> 00:23:21,779 you well I'm just fine it's a lovely day 485 00:23:26,029 --> 00:23:23,370 who've we got here and tell us a bit 486 00:23:27,769 --> 00:23:26,039 about your show imean wolf and I 487 00:23:29,630 --> 00:23:27,779 produced diffusion science radio a 488 00:23:32,120 --> 00:23:29,640 weekly science and technology podcast 489 00:23:33,409 --> 00:23:32,130 and community radio show and how long 490 00:23:35,029 --> 00:23:33,419 you been doing this for how long could 491 00:23:36,590 --> 00:23:35,039 have people been listening to your voice 492 00:23:38,990 --> 00:23:36,600 on the show although it's been going for 493 00:23:40,820 --> 00:23:39,000 ages hasn't it it has I joined the show 494 00:23:43,029 --> 00:23:40,830 in 1998 although it had already been 495 00:23:45,440 --> 00:23:43,039 going for a few years before then and 496 00:23:47,389 --> 00:23:45,450 when it comes to long-running science 497 00:23:51,019 --> 00:23:47,399 shows in Australia there's yourself 498 00:23:53,389 --> 00:23:51,029 there's the ABC science show that we got 499 00:23:57,080 --> 00:23:53,399 any think any older than that it's still 500 00:23:58,519 --> 00:23:57,090 going not that I'm aware of and what's 501 00:24:00,710 --> 00:23:58,529 the main subject of your show because 502 00:24:01,610 --> 00:24:00,720 there's so many disciplines in science 503 00:24:03,769 --> 00:24:01,620 oh by the way have you got a degree 504 00:24:07,010 --> 00:24:03,779 yourself I do have a degree in applied 505 00:24:10,940 --> 00:24:07,020 science from UTS majoring in physics and 506 00:24:14,570 --> 00:24:10,950 computing Wow so can you explain Planck 507 00:24:16,159 --> 00:24:14,580 time to me Planck time is see if I can 508 00:24:18,500 --> 00:24:16,169 remember the numbers i think it's 10 to 509 00:24:22,130 --> 00:24:18,510 the minus 37 seconds which is the 510 00:24:24,889 --> 00:24:22,140 shortest amount of time that things can 511 00:24:26,389 --> 00:24:24,899 happen in wow I love that I love the 512 00:24:27,860 --> 00:24:26,399 whole idea of Planck time it blows my 513 00:24:29,180 --> 00:24:27,870 mind by the way we are sitting on a 514 00:24:30,860 --> 00:24:29,190 street so you will get Street noises 515 00:24:32,149 --> 00:24:30,870 you'll get people walking past going 516 00:24:33,590 --> 00:24:32,159 what the hell's going because some 517 00:24:35,000 --> 00:24:33,600 people might think we're going live mine 518 00:24:36,889 --> 00:24:35,010 there they might think we're going live 519 00:24:38,180 --> 00:24:36,899 hmm and because where can we find your 520 00:24:40,130 --> 00:24:38,190 show too we're going to talk all about 521 00:24:43,310 --> 00:24:40,140 it there where can they find it so I'm 522 00:24:46,220 --> 00:24:43,320 on WWF fusion radio com and you can find 523 00:24:47,990 --> 00:24:46,230 me on iTunes science 360 dog of the 524 00:24:49,940 --> 00:24:48,000 National Science Foundation's internet 525 00:24:52,700 --> 00:24:49,950 radio station and astronomy dot FM and 526 00:24:54,620 --> 00:24:52,710 how did you get into it why did you 527 00:24:57,409 --> 00:24:54,630 decide ok I've got a degree in physics 528 00:24:58,460 --> 00:24:57,419 I'll go into radio well I joined a group 529 00:25:00,020 --> 00:24:58,470 called the Austrian science 530 00:25:02,299 --> 00:25:00,030 communicators the troublemakers 531 00:25:05,299 --> 00:25:02,309 troublemakers well that's why I joined 532 00:25:06,770 --> 00:25:05,309 and I got an email over their mailing 533 00:25:10,220 --> 00:25:06,780 list saying would you like to be in 534 00:25:12,409 --> 00:25:10,230 radio and it's mentioned that there's a 535 00:25:14,330 --> 00:25:12,419 science program onto ser they're looking 536 00:25:16,370 --> 00:25:14,340 for volunteers and you'd be trained up 537 00:25:18,710 --> 00:25:16,380 so I went and tried out and really 538 00:25:19,909 --> 00:25:18,720 enjoyed it ok and what keeps you doing 539 00:25:21,200 --> 00:25:19,919 it after all these years because you've 540 00:25:22,909 --> 00:25:21,210 got to put out a show every week and 541 00:25:26,360 --> 00:25:22,919 it's half hour is it it's a half-hour 542 00:25:29,029 --> 00:25:26,370 show every week I really enjoy talking 543 00:25:30,560 --> 00:25:29,039 to scientists and engineers and people 544 00:25:33,470 --> 00:25:30,570 who are making and doing interesting 545 00:25:35,029 --> 00:25:33,480 things hmmm yes sorry yeah oh and what 546 00:25:36,649 --> 00:25:35,039 is the area that interests you the most 547 00:25:38,990 --> 00:25:36,659 have you got your own little private 548 00:25:40,520 --> 00:25:39,000 little fetishy area of science you go 549 00:25:44,720 --> 00:25:40,530 that's good because I've seen you do 550 00:25:46,880 --> 00:25:44,730 shows on 3d baldness cures well the 551 00:25:48,799 --> 00:25:46,890 problem is I have a very wide range in 552 00:25:50,960 --> 00:25:48,809 science so most scientists specialized 553 00:25:52,580 --> 00:25:50,970 almost everybody specializes very very 554 00:25:55,909 --> 00:25:52,590 narrowly whereas I'm interested in 555 00:25:58,399 --> 00:25:55,919 though almost all of it so I read very 556 00:26:00,289 --> 00:25:58,409 very very widely I'm very tuned 557 00:26:01,580 --> 00:26:00,299 futuristic technology but I'm also 558 00:26:03,260 --> 00:26:01,590 mentioning things like quantum physics 559 00:26:05,389 --> 00:26:03,270 and psychology and medicine and all 560 00:26:08,510 --> 00:26:05,399 sorts of things so could we put you as a 561 00:26:10,850 --> 00:26:08,520 transhumanist we oh yeah absolutely i 562 00:26:13,070 --> 00:26:10,860 joined the transhumanist last year and 563 00:26:15,980 --> 00:26:13,080 yeah there's a transfused australia 564 00:26:18,110 --> 00:26:15,990 group based in sydney and we've been 565 00:26:21,049 --> 00:26:18,120 supporting the science party for the 566 00:26:22,070 --> 00:26:21,059 election oh ok now until actually tell 567 00:26:24,200 --> 00:26:22,080 us a bit more about this because I want 568 00:26:25,520 --> 00:26:24,210 to get on to how politics is is a little 569 00:26:26,720 --> 00:26:25,530 bit into your show there so what are the 570 00:26:29,330 --> 00:26:26,730 science party all about are they 571 00:26:31,850 --> 00:26:29,340 represented nationally in Australia they 572 00:26:33,889 --> 00:26:31,860 are they're one of the micro parties so 573 00:26:35,180 --> 00:26:33,899 they've got a wide range of policies on 574 00:26:37,010 --> 00:26:35,190 all sorts of things but of course 575 00:26:39,649 --> 00:26:37,020 they're very much for promoting the 576 00:26:41,659 --> 00:26:39,659 funding or an infrastructure for science 577 00:26:43,879 --> 00:26:41,669 in Australia how would you describe the 578 00:26:47,269 --> 00:26:43,889 state of science and development and 579 00:26:49,370 --> 00:26:47,279 research in Australia in 2016 it's in 580 00:26:52,070 --> 00:26:49,380 trouble it's in major trouble because 581 00:26:53,690 --> 00:26:52,080 both the previous Labour government and 582 00:26:56,690 --> 00:26:53,700 the present liberal national government 583 00:26:58,820 --> 00:26:56,700 have slashed CSIRO funding so badly in 584 00:27:00,350 --> 00:26:58,830 CSR oh and the universities the only 585 00:27:01,789 --> 00:27:00,360 groups doing research in Australia the 586 00:27:02,649 --> 00:27:01,799 commercial companies do practically none 587 00:27:05,589 --> 00:27:02,659 so 588 00:27:08,200 --> 00:27:05,599 no they got rid of all this expertise 589 00:27:09,759 --> 00:27:08,210 all this speciality and these people you 590 00:27:11,320 --> 00:27:09,769 can't just turn it on and off like a tap 591 00:27:12,399 --> 00:27:11,330 that will have to go somewhere else to 592 00:27:14,710 --> 00:27:12,409 be able to pay their rent or their 593 00:27:16,210 --> 00:27:14,720 mortgage or live and as a result all 594 00:27:17,619 --> 00:27:16,220 that expertise is lost to Australia 595 00:27:19,450 --> 00:27:17,629 forever and it won't be done elsewhere 596 00:27:21,310 --> 00:27:19,460 in the world because a lot of it's about 597 00:27:23,680 --> 00:27:21,320 the Australian climate or Australian 598 00:27:26,080 --> 00:27:23,690 species or the environment it'll never 599 00:27:28,029 --> 00:27:26,090 come back well I mean dr. rach's example 600 00:27:29,349 --> 00:27:28,039 of that what what else can she do what 601 00:27:31,330 --> 00:27:29,359 else can she do I can certainly 602 00:27:33,070 --> 00:27:31,340 understand that I mean if we are 603 00:27:34,960 --> 00:27:33,080 concerned about science I mean is there 604 00:27:35,979 --> 00:27:34,970 anyone we get who do we can plan to at 605 00:27:38,229 --> 00:27:35,989 the moment because I believe that the 606 00:27:40,950 --> 00:27:38,239 Minister for sciences is a big fan of 607 00:27:46,860 --> 00:27:40,960 certain non evidence-based practices 608 00:27:48,780 --> 00:27:46,870 well yes so we have our Minister for 609 00:27:50,990 --> 00:27:48,790 and that's the Minister for public 610 00:27:55,170 --> 00:27:51,000 transport just driving past now 611 00:27:56,910 --> 00:27:55,180 absolutely um we've got our Minister for 612 00:27:58,770 --> 00:27:56,920 industry is also our Minister for 613 00:28:00,360 --> 00:27:58,780 science now which is a step up from 614 00:28:03,720 --> 00:28:00,370 previously where we didn't have a 615 00:28:05,340 --> 00:28:03,730 minister for science at all and yet they 616 00:28:06,450 --> 00:28:05,350 don't believe that science is important 617 00:28:08,549 --> 00:28:06,460 and they believe it should all be very 618 00:28:10,130 --> 00:28:08,559 very commercial as soon as possible so 619 00:28:12,330 --> 00:28:10,140 they don't understand the concept of 620 00:28:13,920 --> 00:28:12,340 long-term research they don't realize 621 00:28:15,810 --> 00:28:13,930 that all the phones and all the other 622 00:28:17,940 --> 00:28:15,820 elit ranks they're using a based on 623 00:28:20,430 --> 00:28:17,950 quantum physics which you know 50 years 624 00:28:22,140 --> 00:28:20,440 ago nobody saw a future in mmm tell us 625 00:28:24,810 --> 00:28:22,150 more about diffusion science and it's 626 00:28:26,460 --> 00:28:24,820 it's a very I compared to bunga bunga or 627 00:28:27,840 --> 00:28:26,470 one of my comedy shows it's a more 628 00:28:29,640 --> 00:28:27,850 straightforward show but that's what you 629 00:28:31,919 --> 00:28:29,650 want but i believe you have had one 630 00:28:34,560 --> 00:28:31,929 complaint about your News theme which by 631 00:28:35,910 --> 00:28:34,570 the way I quite like good news them yes 632 00:28:37,830 --> 00:28:35,920 I started putting the show out on 633 00:28:40,200 --> 00:28:37,840 youtube from in December last year and 634 00:28:42,030 --> 00:28:40,210 YouTube is a more interactive medium 635 00:28:46,049 --> 00:28:42,040 than podcasts I would use the word 636 00:28:47,820 --> 00:28:46,059 robust so I very rarely get emails from 637 00:28:49,710 --> 00:28:47,830 listeners I do get some but I don't get 638 00:28:51,660 --> 00:28:49,720 them as often as perhaps would be good 639 00:28:53,340 --> 00:28:51,670 to get feedback but as soon as I put a 640 00:28:55,799 --> 00:28:53,350 show up on youtube I immediately got 641 00:28:58,860 --> 00:28:55,809 someone complaining that the news theme 642 00:29:00,480 --> 00:28:58,870 in fact all of the music that the theme 643 00:29:08,120 --> 00:29:00,490 shot theme music for the show as well 644 00:29:13,250 --> 00:29:11,120 fusion the International Science radio 645 00:29:16,760 --> 00:29:13,260 show can the bouncer and the doors of 646 00:29:19,070 --> 00:29:16,770 perception air the good the bad the ugly 647 00:29:22,750 --> 00:29:19,080 he gets pretty exotic the myths the 648 00:29:25,310 --> 00:29:22,760 truth toxicology asteroseismology 649 00:29:27,980 --> 00:29:25,320 magnetism the dark side genetically 650 00:29:42,540 --> 00:29:27,990 engineered potatoes planetoid planetoid 651 00:29:47,270 --> 00:29:44,920 mmm 652 00:29:49,460 --> 00:29:47,280 I've got to say just like the skeptic 653 00:29:52,010 --> 00:29:49,470 zone itself you would hear very much to 654 00:29:53,780 --> 00:29:52,020 the copyright rule so it's all copyright 655 00:29:56,540 --> 00:29:53,790 free musical stuff you can find yourself 656 00:29:58,490 --> 00:29:56,550 so you know you are a bit limited I am a 657 00:29:59,750 --> 00:29:58,500 bit limited so the only alternative is 658 00:30:02,180 --> 00:29:59,760 to get someone to compose something 659 00:30:05,600 --> 00:30:02,190 especially and that's a lot of work I 660 00:30:07,730 --> 00:30:05,610 mean I'm not a composer but the actual 661 00:30:10,430 --> 00:30:07,740 theme for diffusion was composed for us 662 00:30:12,440 --> 00:30:10,440 about eight years ago and and tell me 663 00:30:14,210 --> 00:30:12,450 how what's your workflow like for your 664 00:30:15,440 --> 00:30:14,220 particular podcast because people often 665 00:30:17,120 --> 00:30:15,450 think I they listen to it it's a 666 00:30:20,510 --> 00:30:17,130 half-hour show he must whip that up in a 667 00:30:22,430 --> 00:30:20,520 day or something so it it's it's almost 668 00:30:24,350 --> 00:30:22,440 like a full-time job really because I've 669 00:30:26,540 --> 00:30:24,360 got to organize people I've got to 670 00:30:29,270 --> 00:30:26,550 travel out to them because I don't have 671 00:30:31,490 --> 00:30:29,280 a radio studio to work in I like you I'm 672 00:30:33,590 --> 00:30:31,500 on the street in the labs in the offices 673 00:30:36,620 --> 00:30:33,600 and so I have to travel to them find 674 00:30:38,720 --> 00:30:36,630 them set them up and get things enough 675 00:30:40,430 --> 00:30:38,730 ahead of time that I'm not struggling to 676 00:30:41,990 --> 00:30:40,440 get the show ready at the last minute by 677 00:30:43,310 --> 00:30:42,000 the next week have you thought of 678 00:30:45,650 --> 00:30:43,320 getting yourself an occasional bench 679 00:30:48,140 --> 00:30:45,660 like I have here it might make all the 680 00:30:49,850 --> 00:30:48,150 difference I mean the whole idea of not 681 00:30:51,140 --> 00:30:49,860 having walls on your recording studio is 682 00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:51,150 a bit of a disappointment when bus goes 683 00:30:54,350 --> 00:30:53,010 past but you know it's possible thinking 684 00:30:56,840 --> 00:30:54,360 there and when he got coming up in the 685 00:30:58,310 --> 00:30:56,850 near future Onderon on diffusion science 686 00:31:01,640 --> 00:30:58,320 radio what can we hear in the coming 687 00:31:03,500 --> 00:31:01,650 weeks more from Pat cat who was talking 688 00:31:06,680 --> 00:31:03,510 about artificial intelligence and toys 689 00:31:08,150 --> 00:31:06,690 Barbie dolls with AI 3d printers for 690 00:31:10,850 --> 00:31:08,160 children all sorts of things like that 691 00:31:12,470 --> 00:31:10,860 I've got an interview coming up with 692 00:31:15,350 --> 00:31:12,480 somebody's talking about slime molds 693 00:31:17,390 --> 00:31:15,360 which are organisms that can solve mazes 694 00:31:19,970 --> 00:31:17,400 without having a nervous system now I 695 00:31:22,490 --> 00:31:19,980 see there was a movie about this I mean 696 00:31:24,290 --> 00:31:22,500 is it like watching paint dry the 697 00:31:26,990 --> 00:31:24,300 creeping garden it would be except they 698 00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:27,000 speeded up honestly that helps a lot so 699 00:31:30,530 --> 00:31:29,010 you can put a slime mold in a maze and 700 00:31:34,250 --> 00:31:30,540 it will find its way through the maze 701 00:31:36,890 --> 00:31:34,260 and solve the maze for you is that cause 702 00:31:38,800 --> 00:31:36,900 it turns out to be fig tactile there's a 703 00:31:43,610 --> 00:31:38,810 word you don't hear much outside the 704 00:31:45,230 --> 00:31:43,620 realm of insect insect extermination 705 00:31:47,690 --> 00:31:45,240 usually because i believe cockroaches 706 00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:47,700 are feed tactile what does that mean 707 00:31:51,620 --> 00:31:50,010 well I think it means and please feel 708 00:31:53,450 --> 00:31:51,630 free to write to skeptics own drop us a 709 00:31:54,770 --> 00:31:53,460 line I think fig tactile means that they 710 00:31:56,870 --> 00:31:54,780 like to have contact with as many 711 00:31:57,680 --> 00:31:56,880 surfaces as once so you normally see a 712 00:31:59,869 --> 00:31:57,690 cockroach 713 00:32:01,639 --> 00:31:59,879 around a corner or along the top so they 714 00:32:03,619 --> 00:32:01,649 like to have contact with the wall and 715 00:32:04,879 --> 00:32:03,629 ceiling at the same time that sort of 716 00:32:06,350 --> 00:32:04,889 thing Cajun you'll see them on the floor 717 00:32:08,690 --> 00:32:06,360 in that but they'd like to contact as 718 00:32:11,180 --> 00:32:08,700 many surfaces as possible and maybe the 719 00:32:12,889 --> 00:32:11,190 mold is like that so there's the maximum 720 00:32:14,180 --> 00:32:12,899 they see the trough so they go through 721 00:32:16,940 --> 00:32:14,190 the trough instead of going over the 722 00:32:18,499 --> 00:32:16,950 wall it's kind of what they do so it's a 723 00:32:20,600 --> 00:32:18,509 networking sort of thing almost like 724 00:32:22,279 --> 00:32:20,610 neurons neural networks so which is what 725 00:32:24,769 --> 00:32:22,289 it kind of looks like so when you see it 726 00:32:26,240 --> 00:32:24,779 speed it up they they start to fill up 727 00:32:28,249 --> 00:32:26,250 the maze to go from where they started 728 00:32:32,210 --> 00:32:28,259 to where the food sources at the end and 729 00:32:34,279 --> 00:32:32,220 then they eliminate all the dead ends 730 00:32:35,810 --> 00:32:34,289 until you've just got one line going 731 00:32:37,460 --> 00:32:35,820 from the beginning of the maze all the 732 00:32:39,200 --> 00:32:37,470 way through to the solution to the maze 733 00:32:41,119 --> 00:32:39,210 and we want to put a call out for 734 00:32:42,409 --> 00:32:41,129 anybody who's got some science going on 735 00:32:43,909 --> 00:32:42,419 that they think people should know about 736 00:32:46,009 --> 00:32:43,919 they'll want to contact you and go hey 737 00:32:48,470 --> 00:32:46,019 maybe I've got a story for you oh please 738 00:32:51,860 --> 00:32:48,480 so if you can email me at science at 739 00:32:53,330 --> 00:32:51,870 diffusion radio com then I would love to 740 00:32:55,039 --> 00:32:53,340 come and interview you if you're in 741 00:32:58,639 --> 00:32:55,049 Sydney or if you're not we could do it 742 00:33:00,019 --> 00:32:58,649 by phone or by Skype people want to hear 743 00:33:01,730 --> 00:33:00,029 the story is there's so much really 744 00:33:03,820 --> 00:33:01,740 interesting science going on in 745 00:33:06,049 --> 00:33:03,830 Australia's universities in CSIRO and 746 00:33:07,909 --> 00:33:06,059 also the makers the people are doing in 747 00:33:09,950 --> 00:33:07,919 citizen amateur science and the 748 00:33:11,360 --> 00:33:09,960 engineers and the entrepreneurs nobody 749 00:33:13,249 --> 00:33:11,370 gets to hear about most of it it never 750 00:33:14,779 --> 00:33:13,259 reaches the mainstream and where do you 751 00:33:19,490 --> 00:33:14,789 find yourself in the role of fighting 752 00:33:21,649 --> 00:33:19,500 pseudoscience well I try to well another 753 00:33:24,200 --> 00:33:21,659 bus here we have a bit of genuine public 754 00:33:27,139 --> 00:33:24,210 transport coming along it's the 4312 755 00:33:29,419 --> 00:33:27,149 Martin place one customer hopping on 756 00:33:30,919 --> 00:33:29,429 there boldly stepping on there using his 757 00:33:32,539 --> 00:33:30,929 opal card bit of a near-field 758 00:33:34,490 --> 00:33:32,549 communication going on there for the 759 00:33:36,230 --> 00:33:34,500 card man walking long staring at us 760 00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:36,240 wearing glasses polarized that's also 761 00:33:40,249 --> 00:33:38,490 science oh and and of course he's been 762 00:33:43,879 --> 00:33:40,259 tracked because all journeys on opal I 763 00:33:47,330 --> 00:33:43,889 kept forever Oh forever why would 764 00:33:49,220 --> 00:33:47,340 someone in in 28 you want to know when I 765 00:33:50,810 --> 00:33:49,230 was heading off to Martin place in case 766 00:33:52,340 --> 00:33:50,820 you do something that they don't like 767 00:33:53,789 --> 00:33:52,350 they can look back in your history and 768 00:33:56,009 --> 00:33:53,799 work out what you did 769 00:33:58,619 --> 00:33:56,019 right okay yes actually do actually 770 00:34:00,629 --> 00:33:58,629 cover the surveillance state I have been 771 00:34:02,909 --> 00:34:00,639 it's one of those things do you cover 772 00:34:05,609 --> 00:34:02,919 politics on your science and technology 773 00:34:07,739 --> 00:34:05,619 show and I think as long as that well I 774 00:34:10,319 --> 00:34:07,749 hope I don't lose too many people when I 775 00:34:12,240 --> 00:34:10,329 do some people really like it a lot of 776 00:34:13,919 --> 00:34:12,250 Americans might be unhappy about the 777 00:34:16,079 --> 00:34:13,929 Australian focus but something like 778 00:34:17,700 --> 00:34:16,089 privacy is really important I have to 779 00:34:19,649 --> 00:34:17,710 say the Americans you just you just have 780 00:34:21,720 --> 00:34:19,659 to suck on that a bit because some we 781 00:34:24,899 --> 00:34:21,730 are constantly subjected to your 782 00:34:26,669 --> 00:34:24,909 cultural imperialism of us nature and 783 00:34:28,349 --> 00:34:26,679 your look you've got to listen to our 784 00:34:29,960 --> 00:34:28,359 science show we've got to watch Bojack 785 00:34:32,549 --> 00:34:29,970 horseman it's as simple as that 786 00:34:34,049 --> 00:34:32,559 absolutely and some Americans really 787 00:34:35,460 --> 00:34:34,059 like that it's not focused on the u.s. 788 00:34:38,970 --> 00:34:35,470 hang on I've got a u.s. call coming in 789 00:34:42,119 --> 00:34:38,980 right now hang on live radio 790 00:34:43,409 --> 00:34:42,129 look before we interrupted by life my 791 00:34:45,599 --> 00:34:43,419 phone that was and by the way that was 792 00:34:46,919 --> 00:34:45,609 Donald Trump on the phone he just yelled 793 00:34:50,119 --> 00:34:46,929 at me and tried to start a fight but I 794 00:34:52,260 --> 00:34:50,129 wouldn't get into it as you shouldn't 795 00:34:53,669 --> 00:34:52,270 i'm looking i'm a bit of horn blowing 796 00:34:56,159 --> 00:34:53,679 there let's give these people away as 797 00:34:58,560 --> 00:34:56,169 they go past hello well look let's just 798 00:35:00,240 --> 00:34:58,570 sum up now bye-bye just let's get it 799 00:35:01,620 --> 00:35:00,250 look we want people listen to skip exam 800 00:35:03,510 --> 00:35:01,630 beyond people listening to diffusion 801 00:35:05,099 --> 00:35:03,520 science radio because they've got very 802 00:35:07,380 --> 00:35:05,109 different focuses this is a magazine 803 00:35:09,990 --> 00:35:07,390 focus yours do you often have one story 804 00:35:12,030 --> 00:35:10,000 for the whole show i try to head make it 805 00:35:14,130 --> 00:35:12,040 a magazine in the sense that i'll have a 806 00:35:16,290 --> 00:35:14,140 news section and then maybe a few things 807 00:35:18,090 --> 00:35:16,300 lately if i get a really long interview 808 00:35:19,440 --> 00:35:18,100 then i'll let it go for 20 minutes but i 809 00:35:21,150 --> 00:35:19,450 try to have things shorter and more 810 00:35:22,950 --> 00:35:21,160 varied than that also get over to 811 00:35:25,080 --> 00:35:22,960 diffusion science radio and the question 812 00:35:29,010 --> 00:35:25,090 i love asking people here if there was a 813 00:35:30,990 --> 00:35:29,020 kind of woo a kind of paranormal a kind 814 00:35:33,090 --> 00:35:31,000 of pseudoscience it was actually real 815 00:35:36,690 --> 00:35:33,100 and you could pick one what would that 816 00:35:38,400 --> 00:35:36,700 be in it's really hard because there's 817 00:35:41,099 --> 00:35:38,410 so many interesting things that you 818 00:35:43,830 --> 00:35:41,109 could claim to do so he look I've us DJ 819 00:35:46,230 --> 00:35:43,840 go through that I've asked the amazing 820 00:35:47,910 --> 00:35:46,240 Randi or amazing as we call in and even 821 00:35:49,440 --> 00:35:47,920 he finds that difficult to pick one even 822 00:35:51,349 --> 00:35:49,450 with their wealth of experience i guess 823 00:35:53,640 --> 00:35:51,359 i've seen so much but what do you reckon 824 00:35:55,530 --> 00:35:53,650 there's so many implications if they 825 00:35:57,000 --> 00:35:55,540 were real like if they suddenly became 826 00:35:58,620 --> 00:35:57,010 real and they weren't real before that's 827 00:36:00,540 --> 00:35:58,630 different ones if they were always real 828 00:36:03,210 --> 00:36:00,550 and we just didn't know hmm so like if 829 00:36:05,190 --> 00:36:03,220 you could the whole magical healing if 830 00:36:07,109 --> 00:36:05,200 you could actually really heal someone 831 00:36:09,090 --> 00:36:07,119 in a way that we can't currently do with 832 00:36:11,280 --> 00:36:09,100 medical science that would save lots of 833 00:36:13,140 --> 00:36:11,290 lives and their to be amazing but if it 834 00:36:15,330 --> 00:36:13,150 had always been around that changes all 835 00:36:17,040 --> 00:36:15,340 the laws of physics and observation and 836 00:36:19,859 --> 00:36:17,050 everything they might have bad 837 00:36:21,390 --> 00:36:19,869 consequences and deepak choke but he 838 00:36:24,540 --> 00:36:21,400 could probably die from doing the I told 839 00:36:26,099 --> 00:36:24,550 you so dance so hard he just filled up 840 00:36:27,480 --> 00:36:26,109 all that exhausted cuz he would if it 841 00:36:29,670 --> 00:36:27,490 was around there but we certainly 842 00:36:32,070 --> 00:36:29,680 haven't seen science-based evidence of 843 00:36:33,510 --> 00:36:32,080 Reiki for example well exactly so we 844 00:36:35,930 --> 00:36:33,520 haven't seen science-based evidence of 845 00:36:38,520 --> 00:36:35,940 any of the magical healing at all and 846 00:36:41,220 --> 00:36:38,530 because it doesn't work as far as I can 847 00:36:43,410 --> 00:36:41,230 tell but a show that does work in a guy 848 00:36:45,300 --> 00:36:43,420 that works hard is in and please tell us 849 00:36:48,060 --> 00:36:45,310 where we can find diffusion science once 850 00:36:51,460 --> 00:36:48,070 again so if you go to diffusion radio 851 00:36:54,940 --> 00:36:51,470 com or search on itunes or facebook 852 00:36:57,400 --> 00:36:54,950 at Ian wolf on Twitter and I'm also on 853 00:36:58,810 --> 00:36:57,410 science 360 gov and I believe you're 854 00:37:00,490 --> 00:36:58,820 just thinking of getting into the whole 855 00:37:02,020 --> 00:37:00,500 patreon thing in the whole paypal thing 856 00:37:05,460 --> 00:37:02,030 so if people want to contribute they can 857 00:37:07,510 --> 00:37:05,470 absolutely go to patreon.com/scishow 858 00:37:09,450 --> 00:37:07,520 look thank you for time here and thank 859 00:37:23,940 --> 00:37:09,460 you for joining me on the skeptic zone 860 00:37:31,650 --> 00:37:27,910 hey Kenny oh hi Tom I stay at this part 861 00:37:34,059 --> 00:37:31,660 yeah yes great weather oh look a unicorn 862 00:37:37,240 --> 00:37:34,069 unicorn there are no such things as 863 00:37:39,430 --> 00:37:37,250 unicorns silly yes there is no there 864 00:37:42,549 --> 00:37:39,440 isn't hey guys what are you arguing 865 00:37:44,799 --> 00:37:42,559 about tom thinks unicorns are real hey 866 00:37:47,799 --> 00:37:44,809 so are let's look this up in the 867 00:37:49,569 --> 00:37:47,809 skeptics dictionary the what how can we 868 00:37:51,250 --> 00:37:49,579 do this in this park there is the 869 00:37:52,960 --> 00:37:51,260 computer here you guys probably don't 870 00:37:56,020 --> 00:37:52,970 know about the skeptics dictionary app 871 00:37:59,950 --> 00:37:56,030 available now for iPhone iPad and iPod 872 00:38:01,510 --> 00:37:59,960 touch in the app store Wow cool the app 873 00:38:03,730 --> 00:38:01,520 lets you access all of the great 874 00:38:06,309 --> 00:38:03,740 skeptics dictionary articles when you're 875 00:38:09,010 --> 00:38:06,319 on the go here let me look up unicorns 876 00:38:11,559 --> 00:38:09,020 now cool Kenny prepare to be proven 877 00:38:15,700 --> 00:38:11,569 wrong it says here the Unicorn is a 878 00:38:16,960 --> 00:38:15,710 creature from fables aha actually I see 879 00:38:19,539 --> 00:38:16,970 now that someone just dumped their ice 880 00:38:34,579 --> 00:38:19,549 cream cone on that horse's head thanks 881 00:38:39,749 --> 00:38:37,109 now here's a little updated are 882 00:38:41,180 --> 00:38:39,759 published at the Australian com do you 883 00:38:44,849 --> 00:38:41,190 buy into Colin book avec 884 00:38:48,109 --> 00:38:44,859 anti-vaccination lobby flags high court 885 00:38:50,759 --> 00:38:48,119 challenge to know jab no pay 886 00:38:52,799 --> 00:38:50,769 anti-vaccination activists are seeking 887 00:38:56,999 --> 00:38:52,809 funds to pay for a shot at overturning 888 00:39:00,269 --> 00:38:57,009 the government's no jab at no pay policy 889 00:39:03,239 --> 00:39:00,279 in the High Court however they insist 890 00:39:05,579 --> 00:39:03,249 they cannot say just yet who will 891 00:39:07,799 --> 00:39:05,589 represent them or on what grounds they 892 00:39:10,529 --> 00:39:07,809 will seek to defeat the legislation 893 00:39:12,900 --> 00:39:10,539 under the policy parents who fail to 894 00:39:15,269 --> 00:39:12,910 fully vaccinate their children can lose 895 00:39:17,549 --> 00:39:15,279 access to the child care benefit the 896 00:39:20,549 --> 00:39:17,559 childcare rebate and the Family Tax 897 00:39:22,609 --> 00:39:20,559 Benefit Part A supplement unless they 898 00:39:25,289 --> 00:39:22,619 have medical grounds for their actions 899 00:39:28,049 --> 00:39:25,299 conscientious objection is not a valid 900 00:39:30,359 --> 00:39:28,059 reason under the legislation which came 901 00:39:32,609 --> 00:39:30,369 into effect on the first of January for 902 00:39:34,829 --> 00:39:32,619 failing to vaccinate children the 903 00:39:38,400 --> 00:39:34,839 Australian vaccination skeptics Network 904 00:39:41,219 --> 00:39:38,410 founder Meryl Dory said the group had 905 00:39:44,309 --> 00:39:41,229 received quote preliminary oral advice 906 00:39:46,799 --> 00:39:44,319 when quote from a barrister including it 907 00:39:49,650 --> 00:39:46,809 had grounds to challenge the law miss 908 00:39:52,620 --> 00:39:49,660 Dorry said the barrister had found quote 909 00:39:54,809 --> 00:39:52,630 at least one section of the Constitution 910 00:39:57,900 --> 00:39:54,819 in quote which was breached by the 911 00:40:00,509 --> 00:39:57,910 legislation quote I am not free to tell 912 00:40:02,489 --> 00:40:00,519 you what it is because I can't release 913 00:40:05,430 --> 00:40:02,499 any information about our advice then 914 00:40:06,959 --> 00:40:05,440 quote ms Dory said she also said she 915 00:40:08,640 --> 00:40:06,969 could not reveal the name of the 916 00:40:12,239 --> 00:40:08,650 barrister who had provided the advice 917 00:40:14,009 --> 00:40:12,249 because security threats against the avn 918 00:40:16,920 --> 00:40:14,019 meant that people who helped the group 919 00:40:20,130 --> 00:40:16,930 preferred quote to keep their identities 920 00:40:22,259 --> 00:40:20,140 quiet end quote however she said she was 921 00:40:24,779 --> 00:40:22,269 confident that the avn would gather the 922 00:40:26,969 --> 00:40:24,789 funds and assemble a full legal team to 923 00:40:30,569 --> 00:40:26,979 mount this challenge the group is 924 00:40:32,749 --> 00:40:30,579 appealing online for sponsorship quote 925 00:40:35,370 --> 00:40:32,759 what the government is doing is 926 00:40:37,259 --> 00:40:35,380 unconstitutional immoral and illegal and 927 00:40:40,799 --> 00:40:37,269 they need to be shown the error of their 928 00:40:43,630 --> 00:40:40,809 ways end quote miss Dorry said many in 929 00:40:46,300 --> 00:40:43,640 the community work word suffering terror 930 00:40:48,160 --> 00:40:46,310 unquote as a result of the policy his 931 00:40:51,790 --> 00:40:48,170 door he said they were living out of 932 00:40:53,590 --> 00:40:51,800 cars had left the country or terminated 933 00:40:56,350 --> 00:40:53,600 pregnancy because they could not afford 934 00:40:58,150 --> 00:40:56,360 to have more children she said quote the 935 00:40:59,880 --> 00:40:58,160 government is supposed to protect us 936 00:41:02,710 --> 00:40:59,890 they don't have a mandate to 937 00:41:04,870 --> 00:41:02,720 discriminate or to be bigots and that's 938 00:41:07,420 --> 00:41:04,880 what they're doing men quote lizard 939 00:41:10,630 --> 00:41:07,430 Horry said and that's certainly a story 940 00:41:15,550 --> 00:41:10,640 we shall be keeping tabs of over the 941 00:41:17,890 --> 00:41:15,560 coming months this hmm challenge to the 942 00:41:19,930 --> 00:41:17,900 government legislation of no jab no pain 943 00:41:24,580 --> 00:41:19,940 anyway that story was from the 944 00:41:46,170 --> 00:41:24,590 Australian at www the Australian calm 945 00:41:50,199 --> 00:41:48,670 thank you for listening to the skeptic 946 00:41:53,349 --> 00:41:50,209 zone now I said at the top of the show 947 00:41:59,949 --> 00:41:53,359 there was an important announcement let 948 00:42:07,060 --> 00:41:59,959 me just pick up my microphone run down 949 00:42:14,780 --> 00:42:11,960 open up the laundry door here which has 950 00:42:18,380 --> 00:42:14,790 little bells on it oh come on come and 951 00:42:25,130 --> 00:42:18,390 there are two little faces looking at me 952 00:42:29,810 --> 00:42:25,140 through the crack come on Archie come 953 00:42:34,720 --> 00:42:29,820 it's all right yes come on sweet yeah 954 00:42:40,340 --> 00:42:34,730 whoa what was that this is Henrietta oh 955 00:42:46,640 --> 00:42:40,350 and meowing on the floor is moored the 956 00:42:49,220 --> 00:42:46,650 new skeptic zone kittens yes I EU who 957 00:42:52,790 --> 00:42:49,230 are bound to keep me very busy I promise 958 00:42:56,090 --> 00:42:52,800 you will never forget Fred yeah I know 959 00:43:01,520 --> 00:42:56,100 you I hear you but now we have Henry it 960 00:43:04,760 --> 00:43:01,530 and Maude all right you too so for this 961 00:43:07,070 --> 00:43:04,770 week my friends with the kittens 962 00:43:09,200 --> 00:43:07,080 following me back up the stairs it would 963 00:43:12,380 --> 00:43:09,210 seem you think I've got some dinner for 964 00:43:14,180 --> 00:43:12,390 you mm-hmm this is Richard so oh there 965 00:43:24,170 --> 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